Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another above yourself. Never lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Romans 12: 9-12 Amen
posted by Lim Young at 21.11.05
I can fanthom the big bang. I believe that if it exist, it is the work of God. Man shouldn't gain the credit merely for knowing how it works. It is this arrogance that blinded many.Religion is not to bring peace, in my case of Christianity. It stated clearly that conflict arise because of people. People are not saints. So are Christians. Again, the arrogance of many cause them to expect peace out of religion. Try getting that out of science. Hiroshima wouldn't be devasted if an atomic bomb was not developed. Many think that they have the right to demand for peace. None has...And..., no fighting physically doesn't mean conflict.As for going or not going to Hell, haha, we never know who is going and who is not. And as a matter of fact, interesting does not equate to being right. Don't get me wrong. I support a lot of scientific theory. Like Neo-Darwinism. It coincides with my religion perfectly. It is the sinful nature of humans that mutate the truth to make science and religion incompetible. Which is wrong.Think again... Watch out of everyone's logic. Different logic from yours doesn't equal wrong logic. :)
i think your argument is flawed. bonk me on msn for more indepth discussion.
haha. cool post. do post more when you are free k! on things other than religion too! haha well, perhaps for the improvement in the language the logic hasnt changed much since we last chatted? haha. so my argument is the same i guess. Will get back to you. maybe over a cup of coffee or something this hols :P
To J. Haha... I see your fanatism in arguing against religion. Not sure what made u like that but you were a Christian or smthg like that?You need to understand that I didn't mentioned that religion is flawless. I only mentioned the idea that religion seems to be less flawed in its own dimension compared to science. It is able to answer questions that it itself posted, ALL THE TIME...Buhdda said: " We are trapped in a cycle." Then he said, " To free ourselves, we meditate to reach enlightenment." In that case, it gives an answer to what it comments.Horrible misconception from you. Root of sin is not from devil's work. WRONG. Root of sin comes from the weakness in the human nature that got tempted by satan. You will then argue, if God is perfect, then why He created humans flawed? Well, this weakness is actually a blessing in disguised. God so loved us that He wanted to give us some autonomy in our lives. MAN ABUSED IT, JUST LIKE YOU AND I! It was mentioned in the New Testament, His power is made perfect in weakness. God's ultimate power is not in AUTHORITY, IT IS IN LOVE! Blinded people will be unable to see the power of love. Their restricted mindset cause them to see power as authority and violence. That was why even the Jews were unable to accept Jesus as their Messiah.And of God resting on the 7th day. He rested NOT BECAUSE HE NEEDED REST! BUT, HE RESTED TO SIGNIFY THE IMPORTANCE OF REST TO HUMANS. Which is why, many scientist lost themselves in overworking to create. John Nash is a perfect example. In 'The Beautiful Mind', his professor asked him, " When was the last time you ate?" Then was before John Nash became insane... SO GET THAT CONCEPT RIGHT! GOD DON'T NEED TO REST, HE WANTS US TO REST!As for speaking of tongues, IN THE BIBLE, 1 Corithians 14: 1-25, it was said that such skills exist. It is termed as CHARISMA. That is how Charismatic Churches such as City Harvest came abt. The point is, speaking in tongues is not such as'shakaladasdishidasblahblahblahcrap' Someone need to intepret it. With no intepretations, such things ARE NONSENSE! That is why I don't go charismatic churches, because I was not given this charisma. GET THAT FACT RIGHT!As for which religion is right or wrong, I shall not comment. Read the last few paragraphs of my entry carefully. This entry is not about Christianity vs Science. It is RELIGION. PLEASE DO CHRISTIANITY A CREDIT! READ BEFORE YOU SPLUTTER!As for your last point, you said atomic bomb would become God's project. Then you would have made the assumption the same that I made, science is a subset of religion. Congratulations! Your belief system have unconsciously changed into believing that you are part of God's Science project! Cause you are part of SCIENCE TOO! WOOHOO!!! We are on the same side! Surprising? So everything you have done you have God as a scapegoat? So you will tell everyone, God made me like this and I killed someone today, so its God's fault. You recognise His existence and your creation but you push the blame to Him, which is what you are doing now. Pity...Well, I hope I peeled the onion layer by layer and disect your flawed arguement one by one. Really enjoyed your comments, I really do. I sincerely do. I may sound irritating at times, but I really do appreciate your comments. I do research on them before coming back to you. Indirectly, you broadened my view too. Thank you J(Jun Yi).. :P
You still do not get my point... Pity.I recognised that religion has its own assumptions. But I stated very clearly that science has its own assumptions too! You study based on the assumption that what your teacher taught you is correct. It is indeed correct most of the time, but it brings us back to the fundamental, how can we confirm that Alphabets and Numbers are the best ways as anontations? Why can we use other methods? Oh yes we can but that will be very troublesome cause we can't have a unified flow of knowledge. That in itself is based on the assumption that what we our main tool of knowledge is the best working model. Ideal gas law based itself in numerous assumptions. It will never work without those assumptions. But does it make it useless without assumptions? NO. Don't keep thinking that assumptions are ALWAYS BAD, because science has tons of assumption, especially physics(I don't think study that). And again, that is restricted to the human domain.Therefore, we both will have to agree that both science and religion have their own assumptions. Full stop, no questions. If you want to continue arguing upon that point, I have nothing more to say to you...The question here is an opinion based one. Science or religion. Which is more powerful in its own aspect of assumption? IN MY OPINION, I stress it, it is religion. If you want to search for the reasons why, go back and scruntize my entry. Again, I have nothing more to say it. Case close. As for why God make you like that, that you need freedom to have happiness, you are in no position to answer that. Firstly, if you want to argue, you have to first believe that God exist and created us in the first place, which you FANATICALLY object to. Thus how can you question God when you don't believe Him in the first place? Secondly, even if you do believe that he exist in the first place and that He created us, you are in no authority to question Him, your creator. If you were a technician today and you set up a CPU, would you have a CPU telling you, " Hey! I don't want to be installed with Windows, I want Macintosh!" When you recognise that God exist and He created you, you cannot question Him why he made you like that, because you believed that He has authority on you in the first place. You believed that He is a suprapersonel. Even if you question Him, it would be futile. So if you don't believe that He exist in the first place, don't argue. You can't. If you believe that He exist, no point arguing then. Case close.Also, I didn't say that you mentioned you believe science is a subset of religion. I just ARGUED that you arguments shows that you unconsciously believe in that same idea as I do. I stress unconciously. Thus, bring up your own arguements that why you can prove to me(if you want to) that you are not like that. Just merely saying you don't doesn't change my agruement. It would be a very low level argument. No, it is not even an arguement, it is just a statement without substatiation. Prove to me that you are not using solod arguements!!As for sloth and rest. BROTHER!! They are two different things!! You are making yourself a fool comparing the both of them together! Sloth: Laziness= disliking work and NEVER MAKING ANY EFFORTRest: Relax, to stop working or doing an activity for a time and sit down or lie down to relax. Eg: If you're tired, we'll stop and rest for a while.The above are LIFTED from the Longman dictionary. There is a clear definition between sloth and rest. Rest is on the prerequsite that you are tired. Sloth is when there is a lack of effort. If you are still going to argue with me about this point, or anything with the reliability of the dictionary, I WILL FAINT...God do order the death of wicked people in the OLD TESTAMENT of the bible. This is a question of authority, as mentioned earlier. So, I shall not touch on that topic again. Remember, ask yourself clearly whether you believe in His existence. Make a stand before you argue. Not argue out of random thoughts.I need to stress again that we are talking about religion, not Christianity. If you are interested, I can PREACH to you one on one in school. That is one of the things I love doing. If not, lets stick to something more general. Any reader will sense your biasness towards Christianity in your comments. Seriously...Right now, I am have in front of me notes and a dictionary while replying to your comments. I need to stress that in order to argue in this kind of open domain, people are reading our post. Thus, you have to really get your facts right before arguing. We need to speak with some intelligience and responsiblity. Who knows, you could have insulted many just simply because you mentioned some disfigured facts. This could be done simply through research.For your info, the bible didn't state that Sunday cannot do work. It didn't even state that Sunday have to go to church. You probably got confused with Sabbath that is kept only on the OLD TESTAMENT. Christian belief is based LARGELY on the NEW TESTAMENT and Jesus spoke specifically about Sabbath. Christians do not keep Sabbath. In fact Sabbath is supposedly on a Saturday, a seventh day of the week. Lets revise some kindergarden stuff. What is the first day of the week? Sunday. What is the last day of the week? Saturday. So, don't mix up the OLD TESTAMENT SABBATH and the NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH. I don't blame you, cause many Christian out there mutate the fact that Sunday church going is a must. No. IT IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED. AND WE DO THE WORK OF GOD NOT ONLY ON SUNDAY BUT EVERYDAY!As a matter of fact, be sure of what you argue. By the way, I am a triple sciencer and I love my subject combi... :P
opps, typo. it shld be i don't think u study physics, not i don't think study that..
1. Ideal Gas LawCONDITIONS are pressure and temperature.The ASSUMPTIONS are things that are almost 100% impossible, like no intermoelcular forces. I said almost 100% because science I give science the credit that there is another possibility, unlike you, who gives religion no space for credibility. Blah blah blah, blind arguement some called it...2. BLIND StatementsI still have to stress this. You still have not given any clever substatiations of your ideas, if you have any. All you are able to do is to mock. Blind arguement...3. An Ambitious Idea to Be GodYou still do not understand the meaning of 'God', IF you believe in any. IF!! You MUST SO STRESS THE IF!!! BLIND AGAIN. STUCK YOUR EYEBALLS ON THE SCREEN. I SAID LIKE DUNNO HOW MANY IFs...You question God because you cannot fanthom why you cannot be like Him, everwise. Which is why you carried the sinful trait of Adam and Eve, who ate the forbidden fruit to 'gain God's Knowledge'. IF(IF IF IF IF!!!!! SAVE ME!!) you say there is God, God in common sense would be a suprapersonel that has knowledge way above ours, that is why people worship them in the first place...IF IF IF IF God existed...You aren't fit to be God...SIMILARLY, MY ANSWER TO YOU IS I CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE GOD AND I CAN'T BE. BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP ME FROM SEARCHING THE TRUTH, which science gives me the other picture. I am open to science. Again I don't discount the credit of science. When do I do that in any of my entry? Many people are stuck in the blind faith of science themselves. Thus, they conveniently call people having blind faith when they are in one themselves. Science to many is a faith too. ARE YOU ONE WITH A BLIND FAITH? Opps, I am becoming more like you. So mocking... crap.I also have a built-in dictionary but it isn't helping much. Pray tell, what is "suprapersonel" and "solod"??Can't believe this ended up in a supposedly intellectually based arguement. CRAP!! I AM REALLY BECOMING LIKE YOU! SO UNFORGIVING AND MINDLESS IN WHAT I SAY! I am so sorry, you are the all knowing being or WHATEVER you called yourself... I am mocking again.4. I am both a supporter of science and religion.FOR THE LAST TIME! I AM BOTH A SCIENCE SUPPORTER AND RELIGION SUPPORTER. Not even supporter. They need to exist. I am just arguing from my entry that many people misuse science to disprove religion. Science has become a religion itself. Some people still say we people of religion are responsible for countless of conflict. Look who's talking. Blind faith some called it... 5. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHTRead the bible. In the New Testament, it clearly states circumcision is not needed. Jesus was circumcised because He was a Jew, not because He needs to. Faint.I need to pray for forgiveness tonight liao lah. Been judging you too much. You say I bias towards Christianity. Sorry. SCIENCE ROCKS LAH. OK? Happy?I should pray from God for strength not to judge others lah! Must prevent me from judging people on being fanatics. Some people do that without self relization lah. Help me! I don't want to be like them.Judgement is not for us. Opps, why even bother to tell you. You want to be God mah... Go on judging lor.I need to pray for more intellectual arguements too.
hmm... the last comment is from J or me? Looks starkingly similar in tone...
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I must admit that I am tired of replying to you. That is because I am still repeating my points again and again.For your info, the last post was to remind you of your mocking tone. But never mind, I think all was in vain.Yes,you are right. You have always been asking questions. But you have not asked them with an open mind, from my personal point of view. You came with your own answers, expecting me to answer them in your own logic, which I refuse to. Thus, you can't see the point I am driving at, and I don't blame you, because you just made my faith stronger and reasoning clearer.I must admit some questions I can never answer you, because I am not God and I don't demand myself to be one. That is the amazing part about faith, that is believing in something that you can't see. Faith itself is blind. You can't see the origin itself, but you can FEEL it. Many people choose to ignore feelings, because our society taught them so. Everything must be logic based to be accepted. Well, God's love is beyond logic. Why would a God in the form of Man die for the sake of people who don't know Him? Where did He get all the courage from? You want to be God, well prove that You would be able to be chastised and then crucified all on the same day, for me...to save a loser like me. Well, I doubt whether you have the courage to do that for your parents, let alone me. Well, you can't. Then stop putting an arrogant front that you can be God. You know very well you can't. Then don't say things you can't deliver. That is the extent you have to go to become God.There are many things in life that I can't answer you. Well, just like what Mr Lee of TCHS told us in one of our religion knowledge assembly last year, he emphasized the importance of understanding the fact that there are wisdom beyond our knowledge. Only then can you understand what Christianity is about.Maybe I sounded aggressive at times. Well, honestly, you are making me really fustrated. I don't hide it. I apologised. God's power and love force me to apologised to you, not out of my human nature. There are many things we can't do on our own but God helped us. These are the things that attracts us to religion, and not logic. At the end of the day, what we discussed are still logic based. Faith to me is something that needs to be experienced, not to be argued. I can't describe His presence in my life but I can definitly feel His presence. You can't, only until you really want to try experiencing it.I still must stress again that I am not trying to be politcally correct i supporting science and religion. To me, science is here to improve our own lives. In science, I see the power of God's creation. How can I use His creation to disprove Him? In this realm, I admit defeat to you because it is impossible to argue against God against His own creation, science. If I continue to argue with you, I would be disproving my own faith using the tool He gave me.Don't get me wrong. Science is still a part of religion. A perfect example would be that of Darwin's Theory. We came from monkeys. Highly possible. But where in the book of genesis did they described how Adam and Eve looked like? They could well be monkeys... Many disprove it with religion because they can't think out of the box. They can't bring themselves into understanding that we were monkeys. For your info, if I am not wrong, Darwin died a Christian...If I am not wrong, this I am not very sure, Sir Issac Newton was a Christian too. You can go read a book called Conflict or Coherence: Christianity and Science by some Christian science professor, who was a Nobel Nominee.Don't get too involved in logic. Sometimes, you won't know what you are missing until you have experienced it.ANNOUNCEMENT: YOUNG HAS ADMITTED DEFEAT TO J's FEVERENT ARGUEMENTS DUE TO FATIGUE AND DIFFERENCE IN LOGIC. YOUNG CONGRATULATES J FOR HIS ACHEIVEMENT IN HIS OWN REALM OF LOGIC. YOUNG HOPES THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF HIS OWN REALM OF LOGIC ONE DAY. YOUNG IS NOT TRYING TO BE IRRITATING...
Just 2 points of note to you.1.You are nuts...You dunno what you are talking about. Wait till you be a father one day, I highly doubt you would be able to allow your son to be crucified even if the whole world worship him.I choose to believe that you are not so sadistic, you were just sputtering nonsense. Bless your child...2. Er.. You going bananas?What does human originating from monkeys got to do with God being a monkey. I don't see the link...Yes you are right. I am a Christian that is unable to offer the answer that you need. I selectively ignore points that no need to be argued, cause they are the truth. No need to argue about the truth. Thank you.I see people like you many times. Maybe God has yet to open up your heart to Him. I will keep you in my prayer for Him to open up your heart. Because you bothered about this topic.Take Care...
I knew you were going to argue that I should trying telling God that. Don't laugh. The difference lies in the fact that He is able to resurrect his son and you can't. I see who gets the last laugh...God made humans in His image doesn't means that He looks like a monkey. What we mean by that is that humans inherit the intelligience to create and LOGIC, gosh i hate that word when pple misuse it. It would be an arguement that lack depth if you take it literally.Besides, no one have actually seen God. We only know that we resemble PART of Him. So don't try argueing how He looks like. Because that is FAITH! Believing in something you don't see, which seems INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT for you. Never mind, no one blames you. I just feel how lucky I am.And, at the end of the day, let me tell you this. God loves you. I don't wish to say this but God really loves you. No matter how you treat Him, He always love you. I am not trying to convert you, I am just telling you the plain truth. Go on arguing. I now you will try to disprove it. No matter how much nonsense you write, or how you think all this is a joke, it doesn't change the fact that God loves you. Are you able to do that to everyone? Nay. All you can think of is our God killing everyone. Well that is the thing in OLD TESTAMENT. Which I refuse to touch on since you refuse to listen the last time. So I shalln't waste my breathe.LOGIC can get you pass this world and questions from it. Authority on earth was given to Satan on earth anyway. But logic can't get you pass the next life(DON'T BOTHER ARGUING WITH ME WHETHER THERE IS A NEXT LIFE, BECAUSE I DO, SAVE YOUR BREATH).
I will pray for you...
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